The EU really is demanding for the privilege of trading with them. I am Canadian. The idea of me voting on law that American in citizens need to follow, that they do NOT get to vote on, seems loony.
You didn't mention Canada and South Korea at the bottom of the chart? That was our desired destination, and could have been achieved, had Mrs. May accepted it first time around when it was offered to us.
Plot twist: Johnson outsmarted the EU leaders who used to behave like rookies. Now The UK has almost all the benefits of the Union while it has no commitments anymore.
omg just stay in your little island with your queen and tea i just dont understand what they want anymore what kind of a deal do they want that doesnt involve any of that smh
@True Indian oh and this graph also never mentioned Canada it went from Turkey to no deal ..... So to say it's not bollocks and it's real is BS it never said anything about Canada or its set up
@True Indian yet we have higher labour standards than the EU sets and environmental standards we agreed to lower anyway so it makes no difference plus we can break that when ever we want so it was a mutual agreement not level playing field by threat of fines which would be under ecj If you read my post I'm not disagreeing or agreement with you but to claim it's exactly the same is a lie
no this slide was not bollocks... UK got a canada style deal BUT after sacrificing few things. Canada has the benefit of deciding its own labour laws on the other hand Britain has agreed to keep its labours laws in line with EU i.e. level playing field. And Britain has conceded to raise its environmental standards when europe does, canada has no such complulsion. After doing all that Britain gets 'tariff free trade' benefit.
@ChristianIce not that I voted for that I voted to stop free movement of cheap labour and in reality that hugely benefits the UK The minimum wage for all foreign nationals is now 26.6k not the minimum wage of 18k And the reason it benefits us is many reasons 1 which No1 has ever mentioned Is poor EU nationals Polish/Romania ect are here to save money and go home to invest in property Now majority of those wages will be earned and invested in the country just as they used to be PRIOR TO 2004 that is a hell of lot of money
@ChristianIce no it doesn't we are agreeing on level playing in certain areas and if either side appear to be undercutting then either side can inflict tarifs in those areas so no it's not the ecj as they would rule our laws tarifs are not the same as they can inflict tarifs and we can do the same it's a mutual agreement a compromise
@ChristianIce have you even read the deal! The level playing field doesn't exist as that leaves us in the ecj to punish us and yet both the UK and EU can punish each other with tariffs
It's pretty much where Canada is, with the difference that EU imposes its standards on the UK in exchange for the FTA. The clause is called "Lelel Playing Field", whish is a restriction not imposed on Canada.
It's South Korea, not Japan... but the point is that with "no deal", EU would see UK the same as "random" countries like Canada and South Korea - no special relationship or agreements with the EU at all. But it looks like UK caved and agreed to a few things in order to end 2020 with a "deal".
EU citizens have more rights in the UK than a UK citizen lol plus free movement for EU citizens in the UK but UK citizens don't have free movement in the EU. Racist brexiteers are going to luv that lol
I'm not sure that CGP Grey was saying the only possible outcome was No deal if UK stuck to its dealbreakers, but the slide was correct showing FTAs were possible.
UK got a canada style deal BUT after sacrificing few things. Canada has the benefit of deciding its own labour laws on the other hand Britain has agreed to keep its labours laws in line with EU i.e. level playing field. And Britain has conceded to raise its environmental standards when europe does, canada has no such complulsion. After doing all that Britain gets 'tariff free trade' benefit.
Even daily mail subscribers are now starting to see that being out of the EU is worse than being in it. Somone said: how come i cannot go on pension to spain as easy anymore? what has that to do with the EU?
@HCforLife1 It is too early to judge at the moment. I personally think all this wasnât worth it but we could still make this work. Effectively we can still trade without tariffs etc. We can create our own deals and decide our own foreign policy. These are benefits but at the cost of being a big fish in small pond to a small/ medium fish in a big pond. I voted leave but now I am 50/50 on this whole mockery.
OR the EU can also compromise if it wants the benefits of tarrif free trade with the UK...which it now has. Stupid to frame a negotiation entirely as the UK only having to give in. The EU had a lot to lose from no deal.
EU is fine. The deal while giving some concessions and making the most Europhiles definitely angry, doesn't threaten the current state of the EU at all. And no, neither Italy, Poland or Hungary are gonna leave the EU anytime soon. Meanwhile the UK still has the biggest public ever support for Scottish independence, Northern Ireland's reunion with the Republic and even Welsh independence. Never mind the fact that Northern Ireland would now be separated by a border from the rest of the UK as the European Common Market, really amazing for UK sovereignity, right?
no, they shouldnt get a special treaty, the trade tax and everything else should be the same as it is for all countries outside of europe... No getting benefits while giving nothing to EU
So the problem is that, the EU has come accustomed to being able to exert political/sovereign control over anyone it wishes to trade with, and so hasn't got an orbital or scenario imagined where it can trade with an equal power?
@solduspython yeah sort of, but free movement will work definitely "better" now, for example if I wanted to move in to the UK now from Poland I actually have to get 70 points and honestly it isn't really easy as it could, I have to point out that I'm not from medical care sector or IT or at least programmer so I'm not really able to get there ;) If I would try hard enough, applying for months, negotiate terms with my new employer and consulting it with GOV then yeah, maybe but it is just different then it was before
Depends on what you mean got what UK wanted. Like no free movement for EU citizens, then no. Or NI being in the EU framework, than no. More fishing quotas, 3%increae over 3years, UK fishing industry says no. Having a border between UK n NI, then no. Frictionless trade, than no. A trade deal for UK service sector 80%of UK GDP, then no. Oh but u got blue passports like eastern Europeans made in France, then yeah, UK got what it wanted. Oh car industry in the UK leaving the UK too set up in the EU, im guessing that's a no too. Brexit ain't it grand heh lol
@Pureflow7 so your happy having EU citizens having free movement in the UK, but UK citizens don't have free movement in the EU or a border between UK n NI
the only idiots were those saying a free trade compromise wasnt possible because of "EU err rules.. which of course they made up", oh please. We got the deal, leave won, end of story đŹđ§
Well ... a lot of people expected about everything, but after such a weird year its somehow fitting that a deal is found on christmas 2020. I dont get it really, but here we are.
And in the end, this is what we ended up with. Dealbreakers in the agreement that make nobody happy because it was a situation that nobody could be happy when it was finally going to be over.
Am I the only one seeing the EU as the problem? People with power want to keep it. Any deal with Britain that takes their fingers out, and how many other countries follow? They know this. And refuse to offer any relationship where they lose authority within the borders of a sovereign (hehe) nation. Bullying England is a bad idea. Bullying England, Scotland, and in effect Ireland? Baaaad idea.
@Fede98k we will see, although you could be right. Just because I am unaware of a deadline, doesn't mean there isn't one. I do disagree about it having been thought through. An outside body running or effecting the affairs of a nation is a hard line to cross vs an agreement between nations. This is what I meant by bullying, I could have used a better word. Meddling works. I guess. The people did/do not want that interference, but it had to be agreed on conceptually, before it could be worked out. Grey painted it a bit that way but also shined a light on the issue, not the popular opinion, but the desires, within and outside, to get what they want.
No one is bullying anyone, the UK's just didn't think this trough and had no idea of what they wanted. Fortunatly in a few days this circus will be over and us europeans can move over from the damned brexit question.
@Ivaylo Staliyanov it's not the EU who wants to keep you in, it's the UK who wants to keep trading because those in power know that otherwise the UK would be completely devastated. It's like "we are leaving we just want to keep all the perks and priviledges that comes with membership. And surely it's in YOUR best interest to let us get away with it. So give us what we want and thank us for the pleasure of our company." I don't think so.
@Ivaylo Staliyanov it's not that easy going out, there's a lot of paperwork and the change has to be slow to make sure everything is fine, when the uk joined they knew that to exit it would take a while. Now, in January you're officially out, so stop complaining.
Napoleon is laughing his ass off in his grave. 8 wars, and 200 years to get England to vouluntarily institiute the continental blockade. Vive l'Empereur!
So 5 min. to explane 1 simple thing. The UK wants to leave, it is not consensual divorce, they just want to leave, so EU does not have to agree to anything, it is either the UK do everything they are asked for or they just leave without a deal, which is fine by me, as an EU citizen.
At 3:11 I believe you meant to say âEUROPOLâ not âINTERPOLâ. EUROPOL is the European Law Enforcement coordination and collaboration organization, though it does not have inherent law enforcement jurisdiction (ie, no arrest powers), depending rather on the inherent authority from participating countries. INTERPOL is similar, and also has no inherent law enforcement jurisdiction) though boasts participation by nearly every country on the world (196+).
I think the biggest problem with the Brexit is that nobody, not even the people who proposed the referendum, actually thought it was gonna happen. So they had no plan ready. Meanwhile the EU has guidelines and rules ready for that kinda thing. So the onus of making Brexit work is on the UK. Treat it as your first experience on how sovereignty works when you try to negotiate with someone more powerful than you. You will need it when it comes to making deals with every nation outside the EU.
Not surprising considering the UK is the country that has like 10 different levels of membership of its own. Crown Dependency, British Overseas Territory, The Commonwealth etc.
I was under the impression negotiations with the EU were for show. If all the UK knew no deal was possible all along there probably would have been a successful movement to overturn deal breakers or even Brexit itself. This was the only way to manage the optics to see a no deal through, probably with the help of a few suckers who really thought they could get away with ditching all the commitments and retaining all the benefits.
Cameron messed it up with no preparation. Farage messed it up by making it look like we hate europe. May was dealt a bad hand and seemed indecisive. Blair and Brown ruined our economy so we have next to no clout at the negotiation table.
UK: Hey there, listen, we want cake! EU: Ok, so you will join us baking? UK: No! EU: No problem, would you please lay the table then? UK: No! EU: Hmm, what about making the coffee? UK: No! Eu: We can do that for you, but will you please clean the dishes then? UK: No! EU: So, what do you actually want from us? UK: Why you are so dense? We want cake!
Christ, can you imagine putting something this complicated in the hands of the general public, most of whom have little idea what the EU is or does for them. You'd have to be a F****** IDIOT
Just take a no-deal, much easier to make deals afterward. Plus we don't need to have trade deals with the whole of the EU, we can do trade deals within individual countries like other non-EU countries and it'll be fine.
@Vet Doc I'm not a coward, a coward is someone who runs away from issues, these people didn't ask to go to europe, they were forced to, but if you really want them gone, then go ahead and solve the socio-political issues of their country.
Vet Doc people are people, if someone makes your house explode where do you go? 99% of them are not terrorists, they are just people trying to survive, stop being islamophobic and racist. I'm Christian, but I do not condone any kind of racism towards other religions
@Vet Doc Germany took 800000 refugees in the crisis of 2016 from Syria. It's 4 years now. No terrorist attack from them anywhere. Yes, there are people who are a problem obviously, because of lack of education and because some people are simply criminals. That's it. You may mit like their religion, ok. I've no sympathy for the Islam either, but that doesn't change, that they're people, who were in need and still can't go back without being harmed. The Immigrants of other countries have to go. It takes a little bit longer, than I would prefer, but the justice system doesn't works that fast. Where do you want to send people without passports? You have to find out, where they've come from. To keep them in prison costs a lot more than let them walking around, if they're peaceful btw.
1. Leaving the E.U. means we can have ponds in fields and hedgerows. That may seem completely batty, but preventing flooding in areas like the Somerset Levels will save millions. 2. French lorry drivers will blockade the French ports to stop us importing food and other goods. Really? How long have we been E.U. members? How often have French lorry drivers blockaded the ports anyway? 3. The French catch fish in U.K. waters that do not sell in the U.K. as do the U.K fishermen, who sell their catches on the continent. The French fishermen say they will not allow these fish to be sold by UK boats post BREXIT. Do they also speak for the people who want to eat? I wonder.
Old rivalries that's all it is. UK doesn't want Germany or France to have any more influence on EU decision making than them, and Germany and France don't like the idea of having to give UK equal share in EU decision making as they have.
It's so funny seeing Britons complain about he EU being "undemocratic". Just look at the way your MPs are elected and how your laws are made. You literally have a monarch who (legally) STILL has the power to veto any law if she so pleases. Get out of here with your bs. And of course there is a lot of room for improvement within the institutions of the EU, but none of them are even half as bad as that weird patchwork of monarchy and democracy in Britain.
The things is that in countries like Italy, were I'm from, we would be happy (most of us) to take in refugees, but we can't alone, we feel like other EU members are just ignoring the situation, leaving us to deal with it, we obviously can't take all of them, we don't have enough infrastructure. Hope this explains.
No European country wants them. But they regularly throw away all their papers before arriving. So it's just giving them food and shelter as promised in the UN charter. The UK has signed that too. The thing is although that the countries in Southern Europe don't want to take the burden alone. If that's the case, they simply let them go where they want to go after registering the arrival. (This is necessary due to EU regulations) After the authorities have found out, where they're from and there's no reason for asylum they're flown back home. Takes around a year of time. Just happened to some guys from Ivory coast, which have played in my football team in the meantime.
It's not like we want everybody to come around. People crossing the mediterranean sea with things i don't even want to call a boat are in desperate need. Helping those out is a human act. What could we do with all the human rights written down in national constitutions and ECHR if we are not bound that every human is granted such rights.
it's not like they want to, they are : first being human, and have to do something with them when they arrive, and second, some countries in the EU have a negative growth in population which is bad for tax
Certain parts of England just want to pretend itâs post WW2 decline never happened and reunite with the US sooo bad itâs sad and desperate really đ€Š
@G Sorry mate but UK wants a unicorn and EU won't deliver. We'll always keep the door open for you guys but under this circumstance there won't be a deal
@Martin NG The point was he seemed to suggest that the only agreements possible were where you tied yourself into certain remits of the EU - which neither Canada or Korea did . We will get a better deal without ceding control as the EU want - they only fly in the ointment now is fish so 98% as they said themselves is agreed. So no agreement is possible apart from the 90% that is.
Also CETA does little for the trade in services and in particular almost nothing for the trade in financial services, which is very important for the UK economy.
The people voted for no deal. The politians are just playing games. We should have been out 2 years ago. Uncertainty is bad for the economy. No deal is better than uncertainty. The market can adapt to no deal.
@Chud Chadanstud i am looking forward to the no deal The only thing you will have is a crappy deal with Japan and maby India nothing else The British economy will crash and the next London holiday will be cheaper The only problem is that the food will be British
@nathan mckenzie That's the point. It we leave the EU, we have our sovereignty and not much has changed economically. Brexit is a vote for the UK to gain it's sovereignty. The right for the British people to decide the future of Britain not Brussels. We the people never voted to join the EU. We wanted to be given what belonged to us. The right to choose. We chose out.
@Martin NG We have trade deals with over 50 non EU countries already, which include Japan, Singapore, Mexico and Taiwan. Our current EU set-up with the US will not change after Brexit. We are in the middle of getting a ÂŁ100Bn deal with India. We want to work on CANZUK. All is not bleak. Lizz Truss has been working under the radar while EU and Britain are fighting. We have a market. EU is the biggest market but not the only one. Keep your eyes open son. EU is not the world.